[identity profile] erynn999.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] indeedsir_backup
I don't know where I saw mention of it (probably here somewhere in one of the comments, as that is the way of these things), but I picked up a copy recently of C. Northcote Parkinson's Jeeves: A Gentleman's Personal Gentleman, a "biography" of our own dear Reginald Jeeves.

I was uncertain what to expect, given how different people tend to view the characters. The book has some very charming moments in it, and some quite amusing anecdotes, including a mystery set in France that involved not just Hercule Poirot, but Lord Peter Wimsey and Father Brown, if you can imagine such a thing. Parkinson's Jeeves has traveled extensively in Europe and in North and South America, mostly before he met Bertie. I can certainly see Jeeves as a world traveler.

There were, however, a number of things that simply didn't ring true for me. In the first chapter, examining Jeeves's childhood, Parkinson notes that Jeeves was an only child and orphaned at an early age, yet he doesn't explain how Jeeves later acquires Mabel as a niece. His relationship with Charlie Silversmith seems much rockier than what Bertie presents in his accounts. The author also has Jeeves working for Lord Worplesdon twice, which I just don't see any evidence for in canon. He's also attempted to shoehorn Jeeves into the lives of nearly every Wodehouse character going. Sadly, it was things like this that didn't let me really enjoy the book very much.

Thankfully, I didn't pay too terribly much for the book (hardbound, 1979, St. Martin's Press). If you're a completist, it might be worth a look, but I wouldn't really recommend it beyond the fact that it presents one author's view of how Jeeves had become the man we got to know through Bertie Wooster. Quite honestly, a lot of the fic in this community is far better written and much more entertaining.

I am so glad I know all of you wonderful writers and artists!

Date: 2011-12-20 03:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wotwotleigh.livejournal.com
Huh, interesting. I can't say any of that seems particularly plausible to me either. I had also assumed that the separation in The Return of Jeeves happened somewhere in the middle of Jeeves and Bertie's canonical adventures, but I suppose the WWII setting does suggest that it actually takes place later. In any case, the implication in the story is that it's only temporary.

Date: 2011-12-20 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ironicbees.livejournal.com
Their "drifting apart" doesn't sound at all plausible to me after the events of "The Ties that Bind".

And Bertie marrying Bobbie? Did he forget that Bertie came to view that prospect with horror? And that she was happily engaged to his friend Kipper?

(As for the whole Lord Yaxley thing, everybody takes it as a given that Bertie will inherit the title, but how can we be sure that it's not just a life peerage? Is there something I'm missing?)

Date: 2011-12-20 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trista-zevkia.livejournal.com
I'm not sure I know the difference between Lord Yaxley thing and a life peerage, if you'd care to explain?
But other than that, totally sounds like the author is a mary sue to me.

Date: 2011-12-20 04:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ironicbees.livejournal.com
I think in a hereditary peerage, your heirs inherit the title upon your death, while with a life peerage the title dies with the holder.

Date: 2011-12-20 04:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trista-zevkia.livejournal.com
Doesn't canon have Bertie inheriting from his uncle? So it would be a hereditary and not life?

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Date: 2011-12-20 04:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymoondancer.livejournal.com
"You know, Bobbie, I have always loved you. But you were such a danger to the public that I was half afraid of you. Why were you such a horror, darling?"

Um, yuck. D:

Bertie does constantly refer to himself as the "last of the Woosters" despite the existence of Claude and Eustace. One wonders about this.

I've always wondered about this too. Of course, Wodehouse was known to change his canon whenever he felt like it, as evidenced by Bertie originally being "Bertie Mannering-Phipps". (And Brinkley morphing into "Bingley" . . . That one always mystified me.)

Date: 2011-12-20 04:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trista-zevkia.livejournal.com
Yeah, that doesn't sound anything like Bertie. Not only has Bobbie 'mellowed' Bertie has grown a vocabulary, the ability to talk about relationships, the ability to talk about relationships while in public, and a need to talk to Bobbie instead of just being told they were engaged.
Yeah, I don't think I'll be running out to buy this;)

Date: 2011-12-20 04:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cosmosmariner.livejournal.com
I definitely take The Ties That Bind as a forever kinda thing, particularly with Jeeves destroying Bertie's section in the club book. One doesn't violate the sacred trust of the Junior Ganymede lightly! The implication was certainly that Bertie would never need another valet and that Jeeves was signing on permanently.

THIS! This so much. I mean, Jeeves has always done his level best to stay within Bertie's atmosphere. Even when they had that unfortunate misunderstanding re: the banjolele, Jeeves went with Chuffy. And you will never, ever convince me that Jeeves didn't know that Bertie wasn't going to rent that cottage from Chuffy and manoeuvre his way into that situation so that he could stay around Bertie. Plus, even while he was Chuffy's servant, he spent more time with Bertie than with anyone else. (Sorry, I think I'm infesting this thread with my own head canon... I'll just biff off toward the lurker shadows now...)
Edited Date: 2011-12-20 04:38 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-12-20 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymoondancer.livejournal.com
And you will never, ever convince me that Jeeves didn't know that Bertie wasn't going to rent that cottage from Chuffy and manoeuvre his way into that situation so that he could stay around Bertie. Plus, even while he was Chuffy's servant, he spent more time with Bertie than with anyone else.

It has been a while since I read the story version, but I think in the television version that Jeeves did indeed plan to simply leave as "a gesture", as he would say.

But at the same time . . . Jeeves also faced some revelations while he was away from Bertie. Chuffy and Mr. Stoker both admire him for his valeting abilities and (in Chuffy's case) cleverness, but at the same time Chuffy trades Jeeves off to Stoker without a thought. There is a scene in that episode where Jeeves is walking out of that big hallway by himself with a suitcase . . . just a very lonely scene.

While many of Jeeves' employers must have used his brainpower to get out of scrapes, I think Bertie is the only one who sees him more as a person than as a particularly clever dog whose only purpose is to pull people back from cliffs before they fall over.

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Date: 2011-12-20 04:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymoondancer.livejournal.com
Well, Bobbie is probably one of the less horrible of Bertie's many, varied fiancees as is one of the few who probably wouldn't try to "mold" him.

That said, I really do think she is too "larky" for him; Bertie may enjoy stealing an annual policeman's helmet, but he also enjoys peace and tranquility between his revels.

I really can't see Jeeves and Bertie drifting apart. Honestly, it's hard for me to even conceive of Jeeves without Bertie.

Date: 2011-12-20 02:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damigella-314.livejournal.com
it's hard for me to even conceive of Jeeves without Bertie.
Funny, I have trouble imagining Bertie going one day without Jeeves. We're probably both right ;).
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Date: 2011-12-20 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hazeltea.livejournal.com
Bobbie married her boxer (the ewe lamb!), anyway! Too much disregard for canon for me.

Date: 2011-12-20 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymoondancer.livejournal.com
The twist is that the niece is really BERTIE'S MOTHER who has TRAVELED BACK IN TIME. In the TARDIS. Or SOMETHING.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW.

But a J&W / Dr. Who crossover would be delightful!

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Date: 2011-12-20 05:20 pm (UTC)
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I'm insane. when i first read that i thought you meant her dog.

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