indeedsir_backup | Some art and a question

erynn999 was hoping for some naked Bertie & Jeeves, so here they are. *cue burlesque music*

I did a gradient on the background, and didn't notice the stripy effect till it was too late to fix. Grrrr...

Have some golfing Bertie. I did this when I was trying out my different inks.

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I've been keeping an eye out online for photos of men who look as close as possible to my mental image of Bertie, so that I could point to one and say "There, that's what I see him looking like in real life". I've collected many pictures of men who look similar to him in one way or another, but it wasn't till yesterday that I found a near perfect match. I did a bit of manipping, adding a suit & hair (the man was bald)...and it turned out he bore an unsettling resemblance to one of my cousins, who is not someone I want to be reminded of in porny situations). All this is to say that my mental image of Bertie is currently undergoing a slight shift, for that reason among others. It seems my mental real-life Bertie just doesn't look as close as I thought to my drawn Bertie. He'll probably be undergoing some subtle alterations in my art now.

So, this whole thing got me wondering: what does your mental Bertie look like? Is your image influenced by fic? The tv show? For me, the consistent features are a lean face, prominent nose, slightly receding chin, large blue eyes, sunny smile, hair anywhere from golden blond to sandy brown, nice looking but not in a head-turning way. The details keep shifting, though, which is very frustrating.

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Gorgeous pictures!

As far as mental images, hmmmm. I see Bertie fairly similarly to the way you've drawn him here. Your written description sounds spot-on to my mental image. My mental Jeeves is harder to pin down. Dark hair and eyes, tan-ish skin, tall. I see his build as being slightly bigger than Bertie's - certainly not fat, and not built like an ox the way some fic paints him, but solid and in good shape. I'm willing to take Bertie's word for it that his features are finely chiselled, but I haven't worked out in my head exactly what they look like. I also see him as youngish, usually 8 years older than Bertie at the outside, more likely 4-5. But he's got the whole tall, dark and handsome thing going on.

Neither my mental Bertie or my mental Jeeves look much like Hugh and Stephen, except for the height, and certain facial expressions. My mental Jeeves shares some of his eyebrow lifts and self-satisfied looks with Stephen, and my mental Bertie shares that moony-eyed look that Hugh does so well.

I would never go with Jeeves built like an ox. I think he's well-built, but in that early 20th century pre-steroids way that a working guy would be built if he cared about what he looked like. And you know Jeeves does. ;)

I see him as sort of built like this but without quite the muscle definition (or trying nearly so hard to preen) as some of these guys http://www.ipernity.com/doc/57114/5186112 -- so yeah, broader than Bertie but not necessarily "beefy" per se. I definitely agree with Bertie about the "finely chiseled" bit.

Hey, one can hope, eh?

I agree with you. Those guys in the photo do have more muscle definition than I see Jeeves having (not to mention, some very silly expressions on some of them). I've also got some half-formulated thoughts about Jeeves's working man side (as opposed to the polished valet side), and what it might ay about the fandom that a lot of us like to play with it and fetishize it a bit. Er, make of that what you will.

I think it's entirely possible for Jeeves to be both "working man" and "polished valet," considering how much stuff he has to do for Bertie, and how Bertie describes him as hauling shrimp nets and dancing and so forth. I like to play with it, but I wouldn't really say I fetishize it, given how "working class" or even "lower class" is kind of my background. Being poor and having to do manual labor for a living pretty much sucks.

My grandfather was a dirt farmer who ran a trapline in the winter, my dad drove a truck (after being Navy enlisted, which is a dirt-poor occupation anyway), my next-door neighbors were dairy farmers (and I helped out with milking cows and slinging 60 pound hay bales as a kid so their kids could have some time after their chores to play), and my brother has spent a lot of the last 20+ years doing heavy construction (crane operation and such) in the Air Force. He's not buff by any means, but he's also finally at the middle-management level where he can spend some of his time behind a desk, when they're actually employing him.

I suspect Bertie would probably fetishize it somewhat, given that he's never had to work a day in his life and, if he was lucky, probably never did. It's very easy to fetishize something you've never been forced to do to put food on the table. That said, I think that even if Bertie ever did have to do manual labor, he'd be one of those guys who was still rail-thin and never really bulked up much. He'd be more greyhound or whippet to Jeeves's german shepherd or something similar.

Oh yes, I didn't mean to imply he couldn't be both. I like that we get to see both sides and that neither one is his whole character.

Er, and I hope that I didn't imply that you, or anyone in particular, fetishized the "working man" thing. In fact, fetishized may have been the wrong word to use entirely. In fact, I'm not sure what my intent was there. That'll teach me to post before I've figured out what I'm trying to say! My apologies if I said anything unaccountably stupid.

Oh, no, please don't feel like you've upset me at all; I was just talking about where I came from and why I don't tend to do that. I know of at least one story in the fandom, possibly two, where it is pretty specifically fetishized, and I don't have a problem with that at all.

Thank you!

Your mental Jeeves sounds similar to mine. Bertie says he's "darkish", and since pretty much everyone assumes he has black hair, that makes me think he has Celtic blood. I've read that they can have rather Mediterranean complexions. I see Jeeves with sort of olivey skin. Handsome face, green eyes, a more solid build than Bertie but I agree with you that he's not built like an ox. Not as tall as Stephen, either - more like 6'1" at most.

I hadn't really considered green eyes for Jeeves, but now that you've suggested it, it's really growing on me. I'm thinking a dark hazel green, rather than pure green, maybe.

While I'm no artist, I've been working on creating my mental Bertie and Jeeves - and other Wodehouse characters - in sim form (I know, I know; I have too much time on my hands). I wouldn't mind posting them, if anyone were interested, and if I could get them to stop making out long enough for me to take a picture.

I see him with somewhere between green and hazel-green eyes. I can never decide for sure.

Do post your creations! I'd love to see them, especially if there's snogging involved! :D

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